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So this is supposed to address PC’s with low amounts of storage, 16gb to be exact, but is it for new or old PC’s? What computers coming out lately even come with 16gb of storage?
And if it’s for old PC’s, those with 16gb of storage usually only came with 1GB of RAM. Are they going to make «Lean» less resource intensive as well?
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I think this edition is on o the most useless windows versions ever.
They removed all the useful things and replaced them with a bunch of metro crap.
It lacks even powershell and the device manager or the screen resolution cpl, just to mention three random things.
With all the SW they removed stil managed to take 5GB of storage in the 32 version.
For comparison I have some ThinPC/Embedded7 which takes less than 1GB, w/o any major renounce, and that takes the same space of a freshly installed W10 «Lean», AFTER all the software I use is installed, including VMware, Office, 3/4 browsers, the media center and so on.
Frankly MS Bob was more useful than such amateurish job.
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I take a look right now into the LEAN stuff. IMO this is just some kind of testbuild. The whole structure is different compared to the other editions (same build), which is way more interessting than just the fact that many files are missing. — CloudE is based on about 1160 packages, pro just about 570. I’m very uncertain what this build is or should be. From my perspective it’s way to stripped down / broken to become some kind of usefull os. FW popup, Driver install and some other stuff is broken or at least needs some preparation (like with certificates). also cdfs.sys is missing, so you can’t read CDs or ISOs. Many batch scripts won’t work because of missing mode, forfiles, find, whoami, where and so on.
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could be. but I don’t think so. embedded parts are disabled and therefore is IoT / Enterprise LTSB (same) Edition. — Maybe new SKU for OEM / Embedded / IoT channel, but with no PS or real Batch support… Lockdown would be a real pain.
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Thanks to @xinso, under his guidance I integrated everything just fine. I actually made a 3-in-1 ISO which includes the original 17650 Lean, the Lean with all the good stuff restored, and the Lean with all the good stuff restored, then stripped down to make look like LTSC. By all the good stuff, I mean things like PowerShell, Group Policy, Windows Media Player, Services, Hyper-V, etc. I even added RSAT. I haven’t done anything with 17655 yet because, at least on my system, Hyper-V causes the dreaded Green Screen of Death!
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If converted to Enterprise S, it behaves exactly as LTSC. (Never mind. My personal preferences only.)
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Microsoft bloat regular editions, users try to slim and chop it
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Can anyone here upload a video of lean version and demonstrate some features so we can take a look at it, like to see how lean is it really also whats the size of the ISO. thanx
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Nice joke,but I’m sure you’re too expert to not understand the difference between a lean and a massacred OS or between a featured or bloated one.
MS should really stop with this craziness. They had just to publish ONE minimal WIM per architecture, 500MB or so like W8 Embedded standard, then add server or client packages (and metro crap) depending the licenses and the user preference.
Just like most linux distro are doing since the past millennium.
Win Embedded is the proof they can, but for some stupid and masochistic reasons thy don’t want to do.
How much server space and bandwidth they spared if they had to maintain 2 wins instead of 200?
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Translated into $$, it would be not even the 1/1000000 the value they get in return from subscribed content, telemetry and other s**t (the most complete online persona association with camera, pictures, voice and ambient audio — ms biggest partner : the nsa cia etc)..
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В Сеть попали установочные образы Windows 10 Lean — компактной версии операционной системы для планшетов, имеющих менее 16 Гбайт встроенной памяти. Установщик на 2 Гбайт меньше, чем для Windows 10 Pro.
После установки Windows 10 Lean занимает на диске всего 6,5 Гбайт, что почти в два раза меньше обычной версии Windows 10. Из этого только 175 Мбайт приходится на встроенные приложения и игры. Из установки также удалено большинство драйверов, служебных программ и даже обоев. В Панели управления почти пусто. В целом система содержит на 50500 файлов меньше, чем Windows 10 Pro. Что интересно, уменьшение размера установки привело к тому, что система потребляет меньше оперативной памяти. Так, 64-битной версии достаточно всего 1,5 Гбайт памяти для вполне нормальной работы. Выгодное отличие урезанной Windows 10 Lean от Windows 10 S заключается в том, что это издание поддерживает установку классических программ Win32 из любых источников, так что при необходимости любые недостающие компоненты можно доустановить. ISO-образы Windows 10 Lean размещены на итальянском сайте WindowsBlogItalia, хотя не исключено, что скоро они будут оттуда удалены. Важно отметить, что операционная система на данный момент работает достаточно нестабильно и содержит разнообразные ошибки. Оцените статью: Голосов |
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Microsoft is secretly working on a stripped-down version of their Windows 10 operating system. The new ‘Windows 10 Lean’ SKU is specifically designed for devices where storage space is a luxury. Compared to the Home and Pro SKUs, this ‘Lean’ version is 2 GB smaller when fully installed. Microsoft didn’t achieve this by an act of magic though. They had to eliminate many features and tools like the desktop wallpapers, Registry Editor, Microsoft Management Console, Internet Explorer, and many more. Windows 10 Lean is currently in the development phase. And since Microsoft hasn’t officially announced it, there’s a good chance that it might not be released.
View at TechPowerUp Main Site
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If Lean doesn’t have hardware limits or other stupid things like Windows 7 Starter did, it could be a smash hit with enthusiasts.
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Everything else can be taken away but no MMC or registry editor… not sure if I like that idea.
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Why the registry editor? Remove the telemetry engine and you save a lot more than the poor registry editor.
Or use LTSB.
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Everything else can be taken away but no MMC or registry editor… not sure if I like that idea.
Exactly what I thought. Seems like a terrible idea not having Regedit.
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it could be a smash hit with enthusiasts.
And that’s why they got rid of registry editor and WMC. I can bet they will make it least popular SKU, probably for cheap netbooks with extremely limited storage. It’s Microsoft after all
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«It’s like a Windows 10 with even less control!»
And that’s why they got rid of registry editor and WMC. I can bet they will make it least popular SKU, probably for cheap netbooks with extremely limited storage. It’s Microsoft after all
Netbooks are still a thing?
Back then harddrives and low end Atoms were the best the tech could give for the provided constraints, but today, even mediocre phones are Flash equipped with decent processors and heckuva hardware acceleration capabilities to cover the deficit.
Today, Windows does run well on tablets, so hardware requirements aren’t the issue here. And while any improvement to the storage/processing efficiency is welcomed, going as extreme as to nix such powerful (and not that much of a space hog) sings less «we want to accommodate your crappy PC,» more «we don’t want you to tinker with this one.»
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This build is pointless without console/regedit. LTSB is the best option for everyone less you use pointless bloat.
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Regedit and the management console doesn’t take much space. If Microsoft wanted to save more space they would remove hibernation, the shadow volume service, and the plethora of other services that wouldn’t be useful for a vast majority of people. Stop installing bloatware automatically as well.
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There are so many other features where they could trim the bloat, not useful features mention in the OP.
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They could at least give it to INSIDERs…
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Could it be a replacement for embedded use only?
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So still 25GB? Lol. They need to get a clue.
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Exactly how much disk space can you save by eliminating the regedit.exe? 500KB is a worth saving?
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lol microsoft what a noobs 2 GB, I can give you 18 GB smaller windows 7
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Exactly how much disk space can you save by eliminating the regedit.exe? 500KB is a worth saving?
They just go about it ‘Mazda Style’ — a gram off every Kg — I suppose
It also amazes me how there are new ‘versions’ of the same OS popping up everywhere when Microsoft sold us W10 with the promise of a single version that’s here to stay. Could this get any more ironical… its almost getting easier to pick the right Linux distro
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What is MMC? Never (at least knowing that) used that.
lol microsoft what a noobs 2 GB, I can give you 18 GB smaller windows 7
What’s an obsolete OS has to do with W10 Lean?
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Obsolete? W10 is the same OS as 7, but with telemetry on top of it.
Internally, Windows is rolling release.
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What is MMC? Never (at least knowing that) used that.
What’s an obsolete OS has to do with W10 Lean?
MMC = Microbloatwaresoft Management Console
Why do you call win 7 obsolete? just because m$ doesnt update it? LOL
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Because in two years it will be.
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MMC = Microbloatwaresoft Management Console
Why do you call win 7 obsolete? just because m$ doesnt update it? LOL
And what is that Management Console? Like I said, I’ve never used that, at least I think so. At least I don’t think I’ve used that.
7 is like XP few years ago, there were many newer OS:s, but people just kept going on with that ancient OS. Come on, it’s over 8½ years old already and won’t even support new hardware without tweaking, and getting high-end hardware without support for DX12.. meh, just meh. Hell, even my good old GTX 980 runs DX12 fine.
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It also amazes me how there are new ‘versions’ of the same OS popping up everywhere when Microsoft sold us W10 with the promise of a single version that’s here to stay. Could this get any more ironical… its almost getting easier to pick the right Linux distro
I’ve lost faith in Microsoft’s ability to stick to a single strategy when they stopped investing on mobile after buying a mobile brand and shoving mobile-oriented OS down the throats of other platform users…
But honestly, it could be argued that this is more on the level of having different tiers of the same platform. The backend is the same in all (API capabilities, etc), but the front end is simply tiered to give you access the said back end depending on how much you cough up. Very SAAS-esque, if you thought about it.
7 is like XP few years ago, there were many newer OS:s, but people just kept going on with that ancient OS. Come on, it’s over 8½ years old already and won’t even support new hardware without tweaking, and getting high-end hardware without support for DX12.. meh, just meh. Hell, even my good old GTX 980 runs DX12 fine.
A tool’s age is a problem only when the cost of maintaining/using it exceeds the gains. And so far, maintaining a functional, productive Windows 7/8.1 machine isn’t much of an issue (except for those who require post-skylake processors/platforms).
And how far has d3d12’s market share gone these days? 20-something titles with 5 being exclusives?
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And what is that Management Console? Like I said, I’ve never used that, at least I think so. At least I don’t think I’ve used that.
Device Manager or Event Viewer, have you used either one at some point?
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Device Manager or Event Viewer, have you used either one at some point?
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In fact, nope.
EDIT: Ah, device manager, hell yeah, since Windows 95.
A tool’s age is a problem only when the cost of maintaining/using it exceeds the gains. And so far, maintaining a functional, productive Windows 7/8.1 machine isn’t much of an issue (except for those who require post-skylake processors/platforms).
And how far has d3d12’s market share gone these days? 20-something titles with 5 being exclusives?
But why stick with some old crap since it doesn’t support the new tehnologies? I upgraded my 8.1 Pro to 10 Pro the same day when 10 was launched and I don’t have any bad to say about this.
Still, Windows 2000 Pro was and is the best ever (then on that hardware, now on retro hardware).
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Компания Microsoft работает над редакцией «Windows 10 Lean», которая после установки занимает на 2 ГБ меньше места на диске, по сравнению с обычными Windows 10 Pro и Home. Она появилась вместе с выходом сборки 17650 из ветки Redstone 5, так что пользователи могут установить её на свои устройства. Каких-либо официальных заявлений по этому поводу не было, поэтому мы можем только догадываться о её предназначении.
Однако известно, что Microsoft не может обновить некоторые бюджетные устройства до новых версий Windows 10, поскольку на них установлено всего 16 ГБ памяти. Нехватка свободного места приводит к невозможности применить какие-либо функциональные обновления.
Сообщается, что редакция Windows 10 Lean предназначена специально для устройств с 16 ГБ встроенной памяти и призвана решить проблему с установкой обновлений. Из этой редакции вырезано всё, что не нужно пользователям устройств с небольшим накопителем, например, редактор реестра, Internet Explorer и прочее. Это всё та же версия Windows, просто она лучше подходит для самых бюджетных устройств.
Важно отметить, что в Windows 10 Lean не удалена поддержка классических настольных приложений, а значит пользователи по-прежнему смогут использовать их на своих устройствах. Эта редакция не является частью Windows Core OS.